Your Dad's Greek Spinach Pie

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Friends with Brews!

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Uh, Peter.

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You can start talking anytime.

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Well, I was waiting for my introduction.

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Oh, well I said Peter, that’s the introduction you-

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That’s all I get these days. Well, I guess that’s better than nothing.

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It may not be the intro you want, but it’s the intro you’re gonna get.

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Yeah, it’s the intro that I need or that I deserve or something like that.

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Yes.

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Hey, it has been a beat, so to speak, since you and I have recorded.

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It’s been a hot minute. But you did get a couple of amazing stand-ins for me while I was gone,

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including the legendary John Chidgey. Right, but there was a peter sandwich. You were stuck in the

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middle there, because when you came back… Yeah, I know you talked about the peter sandwich and

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my light brown roast and all those other things while I was gone. Yes, I caught all that. Thank

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you. Wow, wow. I sense a bitterness from someone. Well, I was drinking a lot of bitter coffee down

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in Costa Rica, so you know. Yeah, I actually recorded both of those while you were gone,

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and the middle one with you after you came back, of course. If anybody listens, that’ll be obvious.

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But then, because the timing was very close on the one that I did with you and the one I

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did with Clay, I went ahead and edited the one with you first. Excellent. Well,

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shall we introduce our brews for the evening? I think so. I think so. Let us talk about yours

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first. Very well. Mine is a new one. I have not had it before. I just picked up a four-pack of

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this today. I was at the local Wegmans from probably my favorite brewery, Ommegang Brewery

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up in Cooperstown, New York. This is the triple-fruited triple. So, it’s triply-fruited

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tripele. Limited release, orange, peach, mango, Belgian style triple ale with natural flavors.

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Okay, I can’t I don’t I don’t can you say all that again all that again? Yeah. Yeah

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I just did say it all again. Oh the beer. Yes. Ommegang brewery

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triple fruited trippelle

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limited release

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orange

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peach mango belgian style triple ale with natural flavors and it’s a mere

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9.0% alcohol I have not had

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a beer this strong for some time and I haven’t had a beer this strong on the

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podcast for quite some time mm-hmm so I just popped the that was probably a less

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than impressive I don’t know I heard it pretty good I don’t know what you’re

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recording got well hopefully it’s the same because they’re both coming through

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the same theoretically coming through the same microphone but it’s very

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important okay the poor well I did I did double check before I started recording

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So I trust you that doesn’t mean what I wouldn’t I mean about to drink beer

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It looks good. That’s good a nice

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Okay, it’s getting darker

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Your lights are shifting in and out. Yeah, that’s pretty blonde looking

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Yeah, well, it’s it’s a you know, it’s a fruity. It’s a triple style. So it’s not not as strong as a quadruple

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but I mean it’s

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Nine percent. I mean once you once you get over eight percent, I don’t think it really matters much

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Alright, well I have two brews. One is a Coava coffee again, and this one is called Nao Valle.

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I don’t know how it’s pronounced, but it’s N-A-Y-O-V-A-L-L-E.

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And it is… Oh, now I gotta go back to the link. Oh my god, I’m messing everything up here.

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Sorry. Sometimes having Rectangle Pro can be disconcerting.

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Okay, it’s from Guatemala. It says rich chocolatey and yeah, just rich chocolatey.

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It says well-rounded notes of orange, almond butter and milk chocolate in the cup. Okay.

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Okay.

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That’s number one. Here’s my get drunk quick kit.

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Get drunk kit. Got it. But you’re starting with a coffee and then you’re moving on to

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the get drunk afterwards or? No, I have both at the same time, you dummy.

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Oh, call me dummy dummy. I don’t know what you’re doing.

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Okay, my second one is Cascade Lakes Brewing Salted Caramel Porter.

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Interesting.

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I was looking at something very similar to that today, but I resisted the urge.

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I bought one new beer and that’s the one that I have now.

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And I would love to tell you what percent it is because you’re all about the percent.

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It’s an important number.

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Oh my God.

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Not to these guys.

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Oh wait, 5.8.

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This is a lightweight.

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Oh, so you can just pound that.

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Yeah, I can.

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I’ve got, I can drink the whole six pack.

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I heard that.

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Yeah, I’m sorry I didn’t do it near the mic,

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but here goes.

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Probably can’t hear that.

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I can’t even hear it.

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(water dripping)

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I can hear that.

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Okay.

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Oh yeah.

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And it’s brown as you would expect.

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Yep, I would expect.

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Did you go to Powell’s Books while we were here?

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While you were here?

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You took me there the first time.

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While we were here.

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Not the second time.

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Peter, when I lived here.

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When I was there, yes.

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The first time that I visited, yes.

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Alright, are we ready? Are we toasting? Are we drinking yet?

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Yeah, let’s toast.

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I want to drink. Let’s go.

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Kanpai my buddy.

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Dry up that cup.

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Okay, now earlier you were telling me in messages that you desperately needed a beer.

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You were sounding really elky. I mean you were-

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Had a day.

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Pleading for alcohol. Okay, but here’s the thing.

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A person who is close to you, whose name I won’t mention because I honestly can’t recall,

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just had tooth surgery, dental surgery, major invasive ripping of bone out of other bone,

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and here you are whining about how much you need a beer and having a plate installed too a metal

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plate oh my god oh wow what happened to her i have no idea i swear it wasn’t my fault your honor

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okay i was gonna ask i’m just gonna get mighty suspicious here that sounds horrible yeah yeah

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so that was the first i heard of it was yesterday and you know it’s like i need dental surgery i’m

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like why don’t you come and chill at my place while you recover from that so yeah so she’s

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doing that. That’s a major thing. Yep, so she’s doing that and we’re drinking beer. She can’t

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drink beer right now. She’s post-novacaine, post-anesthesia, and on lots of Tylenol. So

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more beer for me. Right, but who’s going to stop her? Let’s put it that way. Well, she’s not a huge

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beer drinker. But I gotta say, this is love at first sip. This is good. Oh. Yes, this triple is

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very nice. Hey, why is everything that’s super amazing a limited release? I mean, you would hope

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that limited releases are going to be super amazing. That’s good. But then some of my

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favorite ones are like either seasonal and then they never come back again or they’re

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limited release and it just chaps my hide. So all I can think is, it’s got to be something

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to do with marketing rather than supply and demand. And all I can think of is back when

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my parents owned restaurants, I remember one of the things that was, you know, they would

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They would always run specials, right?

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So there’s your regular menu.

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And then here are the specials.

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My father’s Greek spinach pie,

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spanakopita, was always on the special.

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Wow.

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It never was on the regular menu.

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You could always get it.

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There was never a day it wasn’t available.

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It was always on the special.

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And someone asked once and my mom said,

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“No, as soon as you take it off the specials,

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it doesn’t sell anymore.“

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Wow, you never told me.

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I never saw this side of your parents before.

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I didn’t know about your dad’s Greek spinach pie.

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The only thing I know about your dad is that he thinks his email is stored in the computer.

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Right, he doesn’t know how to use technology, exactly.

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You’ve been holding out on me!

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You’ve been purposely trying to give me a really dark view of your parents.

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Yep, I did.

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I left out the spinach pie all these years.

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Yes.

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Oh my god.

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Wow.

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That should have been week one, dude.

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That would have been great, the first email.

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I’m listening to, I’m listening to dual boot radio.

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Yeah.

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Your first listener.

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My dad makes excellent spinach pie.

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Exactly.

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My name is Peter.

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Long short time listener of the show.

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Just thought you should know my father makes excellent spinach pie to which you doubtlessly

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would have responded somehow.

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I don’t remember who your, who your cohost was at that one.

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That was Derek Fitzgerald, I think Derek, right.

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You would have said Derek, I think he’s hitting on you.

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Yeah.

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That’s what you would have said.

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By the way, I haven’t talked to Derek in years and years and years. And I got a message from him on

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LinkedIn recently and he said, “Call me back as soon as you can.” And I said, “Okay.” And then

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it’s been like three weeks and I haven’t done it yet. I need to get a hold of him.

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[Laughter]

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Now, I forget, was he a Monolith 2000?

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He is a Monolith 3000.

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Is?

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Yeah. He still is.

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He was and is. So you guys have both been there for a while.

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Got it.

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Yeah. He started like, I don’t know, a year and a half,

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maybe a couple of years after me. And then anyway,

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he’s in California at this point in his life. He’s been there for many, many,

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many, many years.

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Well, I, I guess we need a code name for,

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for my largest engagement because I don’t have one

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for it. We need one. I have my largest engagement, but I don’t have a code word.

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Like I need a monolith 3000.

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Okay. Yeah. For a minute I was not understanding that this was still work

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related and I was like, my head was spinning.

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This is still working. Well, how much beer have you had?

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And then you said engagement and I was like, Oh my God.

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Oh my God. Peter’s engaged to more than one? Oh my God.

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Peter’s engaged to the beer he’s drinking.

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So maybe we should put that out as a, you know, that should be a challenge to the listeners.

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Just put that out as a competition. Who can name Peter’s like…

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But wouldn’t it help? Here’s the problem though. They don’t know what it is.

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Right. But I was going to say, here are the parameters. Here are the parameters. So it’s

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It’s a large healthcare provider.

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I like to say, you know, it moves at the speed of a, well, it turns at the speed of a battleship.

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I would like to say that it has had intimate relations with the Chinese, not of its own

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initiation.

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I don’t think so.

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I think I’ve managed to keep that distance, keep that at arm’s length.

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Yeah.

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You’ve installed the proverbial steel network underwear?

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We’ve done a full metal long John’s with them. Yeah.

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So, uh, yeah, no,

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I’m not going to admit to any close intimate connections with the chair, with,

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with, with APT, with them. Sorry.

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Oh my God. Next thing you know,

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last pass will be admitting that they were screwed up. The was it?

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Oh my goodness. I was going to say, have you been following that? Of course.

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I know you have been following.

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It just gets worse and worse and worse and worse.

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I, you know, so yes, I did resist until just a few months ago.

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I was like, look, everyone gets breached.

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Everyone. Okay. Well, yeah, it happens once or twice or three times.

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Okay. But it’s how you handle, Oh, they have, okay.

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They’ve been mishandling these for, Oh, okay. Okay. Okay. So yeah.

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But I have at your advice and that of some of others, but primarily you,

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I have switched to 1Password.

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Not only does the company have a better security track record, the app just works better than

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LastPass on like all platforms.

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Yeah. This is one of those things where I can tell you, but you’re not really going

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to know that. You’re just going to think it’s my preference.

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Well, but the thing is like I had no baseline and I thought LastPass in general was pretty

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good, but some of the, there was some shortcomings on the desktop side, but 1Password, and

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And of course, now that the beer is starting to kick in, I can’t tell you what these are.

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But 1Password has polished a couple of these edges off of LastPass that were just a little

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bit rough.

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And it’s great.

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Yeah.

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And the other thing about 1Password is they have a website which has a…

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Well, first of all, they blog extensively.

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They also have a community forum where you can ask questions and stuff.

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And they’re pretty open.

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You know, they don’t have their source code there, but they’re pretty open about their

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philosophy about security and how they do things.

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I mean, you can get enough answers from them to feel comfortable that at least these guys

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are really taking it seriously. So here’s the thing. I got hooked on LastPass years ago before

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they were purchased by LogMeIn. And I remember they had an interview with the developer at the

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time, the lead developer. I don’t even know if he’s still associated with them anymore. And he was,

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I believe he was interviewed on Security Now. And I remember that, you know, Steve Gibson did this

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big review of this deep dive of the architecture, because there’s a lot of questions like, you

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know, why should I trust my passwords to a cloud vault? And they had all the right answers.

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And I remember being really impressed by the answers back then.

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That’s the thing. That’s why I say, even with 1Password, even though nothing has happened

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with them to date, even though I believe in the team and I like the communications that

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they give, I’m not going to stand here and say, nothing’s ever going to happen to them,

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know, because I can’t. That’s impossible to say. Right. I have an open mind about it.

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Yeah, no security. You have to look backwards. It’s like, it’s just like Steve Ballmer when

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he was at, you know, like Windows XP is, is going to be the most secure operating system

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ever. Developers, developers, developers, developers, developers. Doesn’t he own a sports

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team now? Didn’t they shuffle him off to own a sports team? He’s like a sports team owner

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in Seattle and I can’t remember which one he owns. I wanted to say, isn’t he dead? But

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No, that was the other co-founder of Microsoft.

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Oh my God.

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No, he’s the guy that owned the…

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He was a part owner in a Portland Trailblazers

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or something like that.

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Paul Allen.

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Paul Allen, thank you.

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He was one I was thinking of, yes.

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I’m only at 5.8%, so I’m okay.

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I can remember Paul Allen.

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I’m 9% and I’m feeling every one of them.

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Oh, hey, what was your exercise today?

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Today, I just did a light yoga class.

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So today is supposed to be a cross-training day

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or maybe jogging 20 or 30 minutes a day.

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Oh, that’s not gonna happen.

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Yeah, I taught a yin yang hybrid yoga class.

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So that was fun.

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When I was, so, okay, I’ll get into this topic in a minute

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but as I was generating a transcript for episode one,

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we were talking about different types of yoga

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and you were explaining to me some of the origins

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of some of them and then we were talking

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about the evil bastardly men.

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But one of the things you were talking about was hot yoga

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I was like gonna ask you have you been back to hot yoga?

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Yeah, have you been naked in the street again since we last talked about yoga Peter?

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Thank you for asking the yeah, I know yeah, thank you have I stopped beating my wife right got it. Oh

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Brother no, I have not been naked in the street again

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Since you asked about it, okay

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Why was it the poor reviews last time

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It was cold outside. We’ve gone through a cold snap here in New England.

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What show was that? I was swimming. Oh, that was Seinfeld. That’s right.

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Oh, I was in the pool.

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Yeah, I was in the pool.

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It was Shrinkage. Shrinkage. That’s what it was.

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Okay, so since I vaguely hinted at it, I want to announce that the thing that I kept saying

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I was working on, which is transcripts for Friends with Brews, is now active.

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Are you whispering these transcripts?

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No, yes, I’m whispering them.

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And so, basically any episode that has a transcript currently available,

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you will see it when you’re looking at the episode page,

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and next to the date and the running time, there will be a little transcript link.

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And right now, the only ones that have transcripts,

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also on the front page, underneath the intro paragraph,

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there’s an episodes link, there’s a transcripts link, and there’s an RSS subscribe link.

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But there’s only three transcripts right now, because I’ve only generated them for three episodes.

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Episode 1, which is why I remembered the hot yoga thing.

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Episode 22, which was the year of the megapickle.

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And Episode 26, which was the current live episode, which is the one with clay.

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And the reason why I only have three so far is even though…

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So here’s the…

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Should I go into the details?

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Yeah, so I’m using whisper.cpp, which does a really good job of generating them.

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But sometimes, based on when things are said,

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It’ll have stuff in the same paragraph that might be from part of it from me, part of it from you.

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And in order to clean that up, it takes some time. And the other thing is, I think it was actually

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better when I was just outputting the raw text only. But at John Chidgey’s recommendation,

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or suggestion, or question, I’m also at the same time now outputting an .srt file, which means that

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I can embed the SRT in the RSS feed and players that can take advantage of it will show

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the transcript as the words are at the appropriate times as those words are being said. And I’m not

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cleaning that one up quite as much. I’m, you know, doing regexes for like our names and a few other

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things, but those are time-based so I don’t really need to clean those up because the words happen

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when they happen. But the ones that are just a raw text file, I’m trying to separate them out

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into paragraphs based on who’s talking at the time. I’m not putting names on them.

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I’m not going to all that amount of time, but it still takes a pretty good amount of time per

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episode. So even when I get caught up, which is going to take a long, long time, I don’t think

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that transcripts will be available for brand new episodes right away. It’s going to be a few days,

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maybe. Do you think…

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Do I think? Out of all of our listeners, how many do you think are gonna care?

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Oh, if they’re available right away? Yeah. No, no one.

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I ask this in all seriousness because there is a podcast that I listen to pretty much every day.

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I listen to, usually every morning, I’ll listen to like three, sometimes four newscasts.

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Is that the Hot Yoga podcast? No. That is not news.

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I’ll listen to like three or four news podcasts and one of them includes show notes and links

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to all the articles that they cover.

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Well, most of them usually do.

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One of them routinely releases them like several hours after the episode.

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So I listen to the episode like depends, you know, like usually I’ll try to get up and

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meditate for a little bit before, but sometimes I’m like straight out of bed and I’m really

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curious and I, Oh, that’s an interesting headline. And I get sucked in and I

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start playing it. And then I’m like, Oh, that sounds really interesting. I need

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to read in, you know, dig into this deeper. And I look and they haven’t

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published show notes yet. It’s still yesterday’s show notes. So I can’t, you

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know, like find the article or I have to like, Oh my God, so much work. I have to

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start doing my own research and Googling for this. So I was just curious though,

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because I am, you know, a use case, an example here where like, yeah,

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I would like to have this right now. By the time I hear the episode,

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I would like to have show notes available, for example.

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No, the show notes will be available right now, just like they always are.

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For every episode, the show notes will be available as soon as I publish it.

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It’s part of the publishing process.

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The only thing that won’t be available immediately is the raw text transcript.

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Right, right. And I got that. I understand there’s a difference,

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but there’s also a parallel where I’m saying it’s very similar to there’s something that’s combing along with the episode

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Eventually is anyone gonna care?

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Hey, I don’t think so and be if they do they can let me know

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But here’s the other thing is I don’t want to delay an episode just for the transcript

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So even if they let me know that I’ll probably say I’ll do the best I can that’ll probably be my answer

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Because having transcripts is a hundred percent better than what we had before with respect to transcripts was nothing

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Here’s what I’m gonna do. I am going to

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offer I’m out of the generosity and the kindness of my heart and

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My financial well-being I will refund

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100% of all of our subscribers dollars to any subscriber who complains about

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Not having the transcripts available at release time

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when the shows drop. How’s that sound? Peter you’re gonna bankrupt us. No no no

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I’m paying out of it now I’m gonna back from you I’ll do it just myself. Me and

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the mighty financial backing of Paradigm Consulting Company LLC we will we will

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back all of that. This is almost like poor Tesla having to cover the expenses

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for the car that crashed when the steering wheel came off. Well steering

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wheels really should be optional in a driverless car don’t you think? Well it

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turns out that having the steering wheel held on to the column by nothing more

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than friction doesn’t always work depending on how the driver you know

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interacts with the steering wheel. Sounds like a Lego set I used to have when I

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was a kid. Uh-huh except it wasn’t made by your Lego set wasn’t made by an a**hole.

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Well thank you because I’m the one who assembled it. You didn’t create the

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Lego themselves. But I assembled it. You didn’t pour plastic into little you know

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what do you what do you call those die when you pour them into a shape when you

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Yeah, that’s a die.

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That’s a die.

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Yep.

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Die cast Legos, man.

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Die Elon, die!

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Oh wait, sorry.

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Too much?

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All right, what else do we have?

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We didn’t actually have pre-approved show notes this time, did we?

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No, I did.

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So here’s the thing.

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Where?

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I looked.

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I went to Google Docs and I looked and I saw nothing.

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Oh, did it not put them in the…

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I don’t know.

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Oh, there’s friends with pros.

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I see that.

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Here, see if you can follow that link.

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Now I see it.

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Yep, yep, now I see it.

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Nino was right.

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That’s the current name. It can change.

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Nina. Who’s Nina?

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This is referring to the balloons. Remember the 99 balloons or the left balloons or whatever it is?

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Nina.

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Nina.

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Six ninety-niners, left balloons. Yeah, I got it.

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Right.

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Yeah. Right.

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Anyway, that was when I wanted to talk about the balloons, but that’s old news now.

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Oh, those balloons. Yes. Yes. I get it. I got it. Okay. Okay. So Apple reportedly…

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I’m just reading these short.

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I know.

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Apple reportedly working on touch screen mags followed by why Apple will never

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ever create a touch screen mag.

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Right. Well, that was an article from 2020. So here’s the reason why I put these two links

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in here was because what I don’t understand, Peter, you and I are multi-platform users.

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We use Linux, although I don’t have a Linux computer in my house right now.

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I certainly have Linux servers. We use Windows both, you know, because we use Windows for work.

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Have to. Right.

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Let’s be honest. Let’s be honest.

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Because we have to.

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And well, part of my job is interesting with Windows because we use Windows Server

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for everything, including the operation of our semiconductor test equipment.

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Basically, we use servers in the place that you would.

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It’s weird. We use Windows servers.

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And technically, I guess they are serving.

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It’s just that there’s so much communication going on between everything

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that you couldn’t do it with a client version of Windows.

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It has to be a server version.

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So anyway, we help administer those servers, we install those servers, we image those servers,

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we you know, I apply the security patches to those servers, all these different things.

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So it is kind of interesting actually, but and then we use Macs at home.

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Right.

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And so I guess maybe I’ve been eased into the idea of touch screens.

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Like the whole Apple thing has always been, oh, no one will use a touch screen on a laptop.

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It’s ergonomically incorrect.

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You’ll break your shoulder if you’re reaching out to touch your screen all the time.

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First of all, no one uses touch screens like that.

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You use them intermittently.

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Occasionally you’ll touch something on the screen.

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They’re great for scrolling, all kinds of stuff like that.

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And what I don’t understand, Mac people cannot get it through their heads.

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Just because Apple at one point said nobody wants a touch screen vertical surface.

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But look at the iPad Pro.

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It sits on a keyboard.

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And until the trackpad keyboard came along, the only keyboard they sold didn’t have anything

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on it for touching. So that meant that you could only use it by reaching up and touching

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the iPad screen, which is now basically vertical. Exactly the same as a laptop with a touchscreen,

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not a bit of difference, Peter.

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But so click. So isn’t part of this though, like part of the culture of Apple where, you

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know, someone decreed some time ago, we will not do that. Right. We will never have a video

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There’s no need for it. Therefore it will never happen and it’s Apple just has this reluctance

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to advance

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No, no

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No

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It’s not just Apple being reluctant to advance because Steve Jobs said there was never gonna be a video iPod like the year before there

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Was a video iPod they say whatever works for that was okay

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I was gonna say that’s just flat-out a lie because there’s no way they that Apple would have rushed a video iPod to market within

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one year. Now Apple’s laptops also do have the best screens. Like my MacBook Pro has got one of

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the best screens on any laptop anywhere. It’s beautiful. Yep. Maybe they couldn’t make the

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screens quite as thin or maybe they couldn’t make them quite as good looking with touch. I don’t

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know. I’m not saying that that’s true. I’m saying who knows? Right. If that’s the case, then okay,

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I’m okay with them erring on the side of not putting in a touchscreen. But aside from that,

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there is no reason not to have one. If you don’t want to touch it, don’t friggin touch it. It’s

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It’s that simple. 99.9% of the time I don’t touch my PC laptop screen.

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But every now and then I do. And guess what? Having it be a touchscreen

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doesn’t kill me at all. It’s not so much about Apple. It’s Apple users.

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Apple users are the biggest status quo people in the universe. They think whatever currently

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is is dogma. Oh my God, you can’t change. That is the way it has to be.

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Mm-hmm. No, it isn’t. It’s just the way it is right now

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Click

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Anyway, what are your thoughts since you’re not an a$$–le? What are your thoughts on?

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Do you care at all about touch screens on Mac?

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How much do you use your touchscreen on your PC?

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Like are you waiting anxiously for a touchscreen on your Mac at present the only touchscreen I own

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The only ones are my iPhone and my Apple watch. Okay, but when you had a PC presumably

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I had Microsoft Surface and a Microsoft Surface Book and I you never had a Windows laptop that had a touchscreen

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Surface Book surface book was a laptop. What is that? It was a laptop that could it’s the Microsoft Surface with a keyboard

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It’s basically a laptop with a detachable screen

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Interesting. So yes

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It is a laptop with a touchscreen

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The surface is a tablet for which you can buy a case that does as a keyboard the surface book is

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The same exact thing but it comes with said keyboard as a unit and it detaches and it’s a little bigger

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Other than that, it’s like 99% identical

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But what I’m talking about is most Windows laptops have touch screens and I mean regular laptops where it is a full laptop

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It is always a laptop nothing detaches

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now the only ones that I’ve ever had on the Windows side were surfaces surface or surface book and

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as you know, like the really the biggest thing I use those for is occasionally drawing something or

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Putting my signature on a document

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Yeah

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and

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That’s literally the biggest thing or sometimes marking up something when I want to like just circle something and say here

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And I don’t want to make it look like a second grader did it with a crayon?

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Because that’s what it looks like when you use a touchpad or a mouse to try to draw something

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Interacting with your chat GPT robot lover. No, I do that, but the keyboard. Thank you

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So

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Anyway, but would it bother you if they came out with a touchscreen Mac? Would you be like all open arms? No, honestly

00:28:06.820 –> 00:28:13.520
Here’s the thing and here’s that this might be a marketing thing though. I probably would not buy another iPad anytime soon

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because

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Right now my iPad I do miss it occasionally

00:28:19.100 –> 00:28:23.100
But I gave it to my mom and hopefully you know in the nursing home

00:28:23.100 –> 00:28:27.260
They’ll use it with her to start drawing so she can start communicating better, right?

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But other than that I would use my iPad as a secondary display to my Mac or to sign documents

00:28:34.600 –> 00:28:41.780
Or you know to consume media or read email and stuff, but there’s nothing other than signing documents

00:28:41.780 –> 00:28:44.820
There’s nothing I can’t do on my iPad

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There’s some nothing that I can do on my iPad that I can’t do on my laptop

00:28:48.340 –> 00:28:54.760
Right? I can do everything I can do on the iPad with my laptop other than easily use a nice big fat touchscreen

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Now that I have a mobile Mac again

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I have a laptop Mac and I do everything on my Mac now that I used to do on my iPad Pro

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But the iPad that I’m using even though it’s far from the best iPad because I gave those to my family members

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It still makes a hell of a good book reader. You will never get that on a laptop

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I would never use a laptop for that

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It also does make way better of a video watcher

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Like not having that keyboard and that hinge there. It’s so much better now

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If you’re gonna prop it up on the bed and not hold it. You may as well use a lot of that in

00:29:24.440 –> 00:29:31.020
General if I’m in bed, I follow a rule that the only thing I’m going to do

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besides

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If it involves a screen

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It involves a screen of some sort I’m gonna be reading a book and frankly for those I usually will use a Kindle

00:29:45.440 –> 00:29:52.400
I’ll use use an Amazon Kindle or a physical book right right I have a just a few books in iBooks

00:29:52.400 –> 00:29:57.280
You know I’ve thrown a lot of PDFs in there, but in general if I’m gonna just sit

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You know usually by the time I get to bed. I’m tired so if I’m gonna be reading something

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It’s not gonna be more than a few minutes, and I’m gonna get tired and just fall asleep

00:30:04.560 –> 00:30:07.820
Then you’re gonna wake up later with that thing face down in the bed my face

00:30:07.820 –> 00:30:13.960
Yeah, that’s why you don’t want an iPad Pro then yeah, I would hurt yeah, oh man

00:30:13.960 –> 00:30:20.200
Are you kidding especially the the full-on, you know full-size 12-inch? Yeah, so I don’t have a Kindle

00:30:20.200 –> 00:30:24.560
And I have used the Kindle app on the iPad in the past and I gotta say I don’t like it at all

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I’m sure the Kindle itself is a much better much better experience

00:30:28.500 –> 00:30:31.840
But the Kindle app sucks so bad that I just do everything in books books

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Apple Books is so much of a better app

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So the reason that I use the Kindle app is I do have a number of things that I purchased on the Amazon store

00:30:40.180 –> 00:30:42.220
Right, so that comes there. Sure. I

00:30:42.720 –> 00:30:47.540
Do like the Kindle the Kindle I have like I think it’s an eighth generation Kindle

00:30:47.540 –> 00:30:51.420
It’s smaller than an iPad mini but bigger than an iPhone

00:30:51.420 –> 00:30:57.220
Pro max just for comparison, which is perfect size for reading. Yeah decent size

00:30:57.220 –> 00:30:59.420
I like the fact that you know

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I don’t have to charge it for weeks at a time so I can just forget about it and still works because it’s got the

00:31:04.140 –> 00:31:07.140
Sony E Ink as opposed to a you know, a backlit display

00:31:07.140 –> 00:31:09.820
And also it’s pretty

00:31:10.420 –> 00:31:14.940
Dumb, you know as an application or you know, it pretty much only does one thing

00:31:14.940 –> 00:31:19.760
It reads me my you know shows me my content so I can’t nice. Oh, I’ll just check email

00:31:19.760 –> 00:31:24.920
Oh, I’ll surf the web a little bit, you know, so when I want to focus on just reading it’s nice

00:31:24.920 –> 00:31:28.360
My problem when I start reading is I don’t

00:31:28.360 –> 00:31:34.680
Go online so much as I switch over to my crossword puzzle app and I switch between my book and my crossword puzzle

00:31:34.680 –> 00:31:36.360
okay, and then

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Then half the night will be over and I’ll realize that I’ve made I’ve read five pages of book

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but I’ve done a bunch of crossword puzzles. And that’s not bad. I mean, it’s a good way to spend

00:31:45.340 –> 00:31:51.020
the time, but it does, it is a deviation from the reading that I was planning on doing.

00:31:51.020 –> 00:31:54.140
Right. Yeah, I get that.

00:31:54.140 –> 00:31:59.180
It’s still not as bad as bouncing onto Mastodon and scrolling through what other people are saying for

00:31:59.180 –> 00:32:02.380
five hours and then realizing, you know, oh, you know, which-

00:32:02.380 –> 00:32:03.020
Indeed.

00:32:03.020 –> 00:32:09.100
I admit, I like cat videos and I like some of the cute animal videos. And so sometimes I’ll spend

00:32:09.100 –> 00:32:14.700
time on reddit looking at those instead of reddit’s a hellhole you have to be careful but oh hell yeah

00:32:14.700 –> 00:32:20.860
now my time reading stuff like that i just noticed too sometime along the way somehow apparently i

00:32:20.860 –> 00:32:27.260
enabled notifications on the reddit app on my phone my god which also implies that at some point

00:32:27.260 –> 00:32:36.620
along the way i installed the reddit app on my phone oh my god why i i got unclear so anyway

00:32:36.620 –> 00:32:40.260
Speaking of displays though and touch screens. Let’s stay on that loop. I

00:32:40.260 –> 00:32:43.340
recently purchased a high definition

00:32:43.340 –> 00:32:51.580
32 inch display on my desktop. Oh, what do you mean by high definition? Are we talking 5k? 4k?

00:32:51.580 –> 00:32:52.660
That’s not high definition.

00:32:52.660 –> 00:32:58.060
I mean, I know it is compared to the other one now if you look in the recording if you were looking at the video

00:32:58.060 –> 00:33:01.160
If you see back there, yeah, that’s a standard definition

00:33:01.700 –> 00:33:07.860
ultra wide monitor. That back there is essentially like two 24 inch monitors bolted together.

00:33:07.860 –> 00:33:11.140
See, that sucks because you could see every pixel on something that big.

00:33:11.140 –> 00:33:13.380
Well, I bought it almost three years ago. Okay.

00:33:13.380 –> 00:33:18.740
No, I understand that, but I was going to send you a link. There’s a 5K competitor.

00:33:18.740 –> 00:33:25.060
There’s a good 5K competitor to the studio display that I’m using that recently came out that would

00:33:25.060 –> 00:33:28.260
be a wonderful pair with your Mac. You should have waited.

00:33:28.260 –> 00:33:29.460
And how much does that cost?

00:33:30.100 –> 00:33:35.380
Well, a lot less than the studio. Well, I say a lot less. I don’t know. I’ll find the details for you.

00:33:35.380 –> 00:33:40.980
Okay, so I bought the one from Monoprice and the reason is it was reviewed in Wired. They’re like,

00:33:40.980 –> 00:33:45.700
“We love this display.” I’m like, “Okay, let’s see what they do.” It was 300 and some odd dollars.

00:33:45.700 –> 00:33:50.420
It was 300 mumble dollars. I honestly don’t remember exactly how many it was.

00:33:50.420 –> 00:33:59.220
And it’s pretty darn good. It’s not great. There are times if I have a lot of dark

00:33:59.220 –> 00:34:05.900
dark colors rendering on the screen, I see some flickering and I saw I did a little

00:34:05.900 –> 00:34:10.440
bit of digging to see like you know, some people said check your cable. So, I did swap

00:34:10.440 –> 00:34:17.780
out the cable and it comes back but it comes back so infrequently that I might not care.

00:34:17.780 –> 00:34:20.020
What’s the refresh rate on this thing?

00:34:20.020 –> 00:34:23.420
60, 60 hertz or 50 if you want to dumb it down.

00:34:23.420 –> 00:34:24.420
Don’t do that.

00:34:24.420 –> 00:34:30.480
But just having a high def super big giant monitor, like this is awesome.

00:34:30.480 –> 00:34:35.620
I had that ultra wide, again for the last, I bought that shortly after I returned to

00:34:35.620 –> 00:34:40.280
work for Healthcare 3000.

00:34:40.280 –> 00:34:46.480
And I thought it was great except the vertical refresh, the vertical resolution was no better

00:34:46.480 –> 00:34:48.080
than any of my other monitors.

00:34:48.080 –> 00:34:51.960
So like anything vertical, it’s like scroll city.

00:34:51.960 –> 00:34:53.320
So I really hated that.

00:34:53.320 –> 00:35:00.320
here, like I can comfortably have a couple of spreadsheets, a video, email, another web

00:35:00.320 –> 00:35:08.440
browser, a terminal, all on the screen at the same time in nice high resolution and

00:35:08.440 –> 00:35:11.360
not feel cramped at all. So this is, this is nice.

00:35:11.360 –> 00:35:15.560
Yeah, see, I’m so used to 5k. I don’t know if I could go down to four again. Now those

00:35:15.560 –> 00:35:22.960
two monitors behind me, those are my work, my home work monitors, my at home, but for

00:35:22.960 –> 00:35:27.520
monitors that I plug my PC into those are 1280 or whatever a standard your

00:35:27.520 –> 00:35:32.400
homework monitors my homework yeah I do my homework on this but those are 1280

00:35:32.400 –> 00:35:36.280
or whatever you know now at work see this is the weird thing

00:35:36.280 –> 00:35:40.880
model of 3000 nobody has actual 4k monitors there there’s a couple people

00:35:40.880 –> 00:35:45.800
and I wonder where they got them but like there are software developers that

00:35:45.800 –> 00:35:49.280
have been there a long time but everybody else has 1280 monitors now I

00:35:49.280 –> 00:35:53.400
managed to get my boss to buy me what are they called UHD they’re in between

00:35:53.400 –> 00:36:00.720
4k and HD monitors I think ultra-high ultra-high high def yeah so I have two

00:36:00.720 –> 00:36:04.520
of those on my desk at work and they look a hell of a lot better than these

00:36:04.520 –> 00:36:10.960
okay but there’s still nothing like a 5k or even a 4k so we can put it into the

00:36:10.960 –> 00:36:16.560
show notes I’ll message you this but I bought the mono price 32 inch crystal

00:36:16.560 –> 00:36:26.780
Pro monitor 4k UHD 60 Hertz 65 watts USB-C height adjustable stand VA and the

00:36:26.780 –> 00:36:33.680
product number is 43020 which is funny because when I look for my speakers when

00:36:33.680 –> 00:36:39.380
I want to change my sound output it’s 43020 so it’s referred to by its product

00:36:39.380 –> 00:36:43.240
number all through the documentation and through my system settings which I think

00:36:43.240 –> 00:36:49.800
kind of funny. Oh you know what I think I think QHD is what those work ones are. QHD, yeah. QHD.

00:36:49.800 –> 00:36:58.120
2560 by 1440. Okay. So those are QHD. UHD is 4k right? Ultra HD? Yeah that’s what I have. I have

00:36:58.120 –> 00:37:05.240
4HD. Yeah I have I have 4k UHD. That’s what I have. Yes and mine are my the one I have at work

00:37:05.240 –> 00:37:12.840
is sometimes called 2k monitors. Which is nothing, right? Well, it’s better than the

00:37:12.840 –> 00:37:16.520
1280 ones that I have back here that I used to have at work that I brought home once I got the

00:37:16.520 –> 00:37:24.600
better ones. So one of the podcasts that I listen to, so I’ve recently been unsubscribing from a

00:37:24.600 –> 00:37:29.240
number of or unfollowing a number of podcasts. Don’t say that. They’re going to unfollow us now.

00:37:29.240 –> 00:37:34.920
No, not ours. You can’t unfollow ours. That’s not allowed. Okay, gotcha. Just because I’m like,

00:37:34.920 –> 00:37:39.480
look, it’s been months I have not listened to an episode or in some cases, like I’ve realized I

00:37:39.480 –> 00:37:43.640
went back and I was like, I haven’t listened to any of these. I’m going to unsubscribe. Oh,

00:37:43.640 –> 00:37:49.080
they stopped releasing episodes like eight months ago. Oh, okay. Well, there you go. Great. There’s

00:37:49.080 –> 00:37:52.760
a reason I don’t listen anymore. Yeah. There’s a reason. Right. They unlistened to me. Yeah.

00:37:52.760 –> 00:37:58.680
Right. One of them that I still love though, and my favorite running podcast, cause I still

00:37:58.680 –> 00:38:03.320
subscribe to a number of running podcasts. My favorite one is called Trail Runner Nation.

00:38:04.280 –> 00:38:11.320
And they have a number of rotating hosts in addition to guests on the show. And one of them

00:38:11.320 –> 00:38:18.200
is the guys AJW are his initials. I forget his name, but he just released his own podcast. He’s

00:38:18.200 –> 00:38:24.760
started his own podcast now. And the rule is they talk about running and they have a drink and it’s

00:38:24.760 –> 00:38:33.320
usually a beer, but his rule is they, the podcast show, the length of the episode will be as long as

00:38:33.320 –> 00:38:40.760
his drink lasts. Oh. And I kind of like that, but I must warn you, I am down to my last sip of my

00:38:40.760 –> 00:38:47.560
beer, which means we either need to wrap this or I need to get another drink. Um, I would prefer that

00:38:47.560 –> 00:38:51.960
you get another drink because my god, Peter, we’ve only been going for, oh well, it’s been 42 minutes.

00:38:51.960 –> 00:38:58.920
Uh, it’s up to you. It’s up to you. You only, you know what you have in your future. I just finished

00:38:58.920 –> 00:39:05.880
11.2 ounces of 9% Belgian triple and I can barely stand up.

00:39:05.880 –> 00:39:14.760
Yeah, but the, I think I would, this is just me, but I would think that the person downstairs

00:39:14.760 –> 00:39:20.760
in immense pain who you’re helping take care of right now really would benefit and probably

00:39:20.760 –> 00:39:24.200
want you to just be so drunk that you can’t even get down the stairs. I would think.

00:39:26.120 –> 00:39:30.460
I was thinking you would say would want me to go spend time with her to make sure she’s okay

00:39:30.460 –> 00:39:34.120
Maybe even help cook dinner or something. I don’t know that’s just stupid

00:39:34.120 –> 00:39:42.460
No, we can wrap it up I totally agree with you I don’t want you to get any I think it’s it’s probably the smart thing

00:39:42.460 –> 00:39:46.340
To do let’s just put it that way. I mean literally my lips are numb

00:39:46.340 –> 00:39:49.740
They look numb

00:39:49.740 –> 00:39:55.240
That’s how good you’re Wow. Oh my god, Peter. Just yeah, I was to you dear listener

00:39:55.240 –> 00:39:58.280
that was not to Scott. Scott might have intercepted it.

00:39:58.280 –> 00:39:58.760
[laughter]

00:39:58.760 –> 00:40:00.520
Peter just kissed his own snowball.

00:40:00.520 –> 00:40:03.080
No, I kissed you, dear listener. Just you.

00:40:03.080 –> 00:40:06.680
Yeah. I don’t know how to bring it back up to end on a positive—

00:40:06.680 –> 00:40:07.160
[laughter]

00:40:07.160 –> 00:40:13.320
You don’t know how to follow—I think we should just wrap it up and tell folks how to find us.

00:40:13.320 –> 00:40:14.520
Here’s where we gotta move on.

00:40:14.520 –> 00:40:18.360
At a certain point, we gotta move on. I think this is that point.

00:40:18.360 –> 00:40:25.240
You can find us at friendswithbrews.com. You can find us on the Mastodon at some

00:40:25.240 –> 00:40:29.400
link or other from friendswithbrews.com. I bet I could find it if I looked.

00:40:29.400 –> 00:40:35.080
It is a little harder to tell folks how to find us on Mastodon than it is on Twitter,

00:40:35.080 –> 00:40:36.280
but it’s worth it.

00:40:36.280 –> 00:40:43.560
appdot.net/@friendswbrews. Or just search @friendswbrews from whatever site you’re

00:40:43.560 –> 00:40:47.720
on on Mastodon and you’ll find us. Yeah, what about you individually?

00:40:47.720 –> 00:40:51.880
Oh, I’m appdot.net@scottaw.

00:40:51.880 –> 00:40:52.720
Wow.

00:40:52.720 –> 00:40:58.920
Or @scottaw@appdot.net. If you want to…

00:40:58.920 –> 00:40:59.760
Anyway, whatever.

00:40:59.760 –> 00:41:04.600
That’s weird. See, I’m at nikolaidis@infosec.exchange.

00:41:04.600 –> 00:41:11.000
Uh huh. You are at infosec.exchange. You’ve been exchanging infosecs with people. Wow, that came out wrong.

00:41:11.560 –> 00:41:18.680
Anyway, if you go, if you go to a Friends with Brews.com/friends, you will find our Mastodon links.

00:41:18.680 –> 00:41:21.280
So, wow.

00:41:21.280 –> 00:41:26.520
Yeah, that was a, wow.

00:41:26.520 –> 00:41:29.840
Yeah, that was a, that was a rumor I just started right there, Peter.

00:41:29.840 –> 00:41:32.920
Wow.

00:41:32.920 –> 00:41:33.700
Okay.

00:41:33.700 –> 00:41:35.240
Talk about your big red button.

00:41:35.240 –> 00:41:37.520
No, I’m not going to talk about it.

00:41:37.520 –> 00:41:38.800
I’m just going to push it.

00:41:38.800 –> 00:41:40.800
Big red button.